KeyArena vs SoDo Site Size – Revisited

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May 212017
 

Early in this process, an examination of the proposed arena site in SoDo was done through google maps and scale overlays of other, existing arenas.  The zoom feature and dimensions bar in Google Maps was used to scale pictures appropriately, but it was an imprecise methodology.  With the recent KeyArena proposals and continued submissions of SoDo arena documents, we have some professionally sourced dimensions available in public documents and can revisit the SoDo site size compared to what’s available at KeyArena.

The ArenaCo property is outlined in red. KeyArena was automatically at the same scale and easily overlaid. Transparency enabled so you can see the red property lines.

KeyArena Size (Roof = 408 x 408 ft)

The AEG/Seattle Partners sketches include dimensions of the roof of KeyArena (“83% of the existing 166,400 square feet of roof area is being maintained”), which reduces to 408 linear feet on each side if we assume a simple 2D square.  The exterior dimensions of KeyArena could be smaller if AEG calculated square feet along the inclined roof surface.

SoDo Arena Size (357 x 515 (W end) or 695 ft (E end))

In the SoDo arena, we have street vacation requests that include surveys of the area.  The rough dimensions of Hansen’s arena footprint is on land that is 398 ft by ~680 / 710 ft.  The SoDo proposal (big pdf) constructs a 32.8 ft wide access road on the East side of the site and has a 8.4 ft setback from the 100 ft width of 1st Ave S, which leaves a SoDo arena building that’s 356.8 ft wide.  The land has quite a bit more space in the North-South direction, which is used to construct the NBA team’s practice facility on a four-level parking garage on the Northeast corner.  There is also a section of S Massachusetts St that gets included in the street vacation.

Survey shows dimensions of SoDo land available to build on.

SoDo Arena dimensions from Street Vacation Application

Ultimately, this confirms that the KeyArena site was not too small for an arena, even a modern arena, when you get a little more space outside the old roofline.  The OVG proposal for KeyArena includes an atrium area and parking garage built off the South end of KeyArena.  The Seattle Partners/AEG proposal involves underground excavation, the south end of the roof being extended, and the whole seating bowl being adjusted so it no longer sits centered under the apex of the KeyArena roof.

OVG creates more above-ground structure to the South and links them through an atrium

The Seattle Partners plan for KeyArena involves extensions underground and to the South with the old roof offset from the new seating bowl

KeyArena Rebuild RFPs Are In

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May 012017
 

KeyArena RFP Responses

The KeyArena RFP announced by Ed Murray back in October 2016 has had more detailed, although still annotated as “redacted for public,” responses.  The AEG/Seattle Partners response is a 6 page executive summary and a 690 page full proposal pdf that includes letters of support from other NBA team owners.  The Oak View Group has submitted a 3 page executive summary and a 108 page proposal.  This is going to take some time to comb through, so I’ll add more details when time permits.  I added the Key RFP page to the list of links above.

King5 has a story that summarizes some details of the proposals, which can give you some inspiration on what to look out for.

Russ Partners with SoDo Arena Group (ArenaCo) “not just for PR”

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Nov 142016
 

Chris Hansen’s “all private, but not really” arena plans needed to be re-injected into the news cycle a bit more and so there’s this

Bringing local celebrities into ownership groups is not exactly new, of course.  Will Smith owns a bit of the 76ers, Jay Z owned a tiny bit of the Barclay’s Center and Nets, Fergie and JLo (and many others) own a bit of the Dolphins, etc.

But, as far as generating local excitement for Hansen’s plans vs an almost-RFP’ed “something” to the KeyArena, this bit of news may be exciting enough to be worth giving Russell Wilson a chunk of the arena/team, if it happens.  (As these are usually private transactions, we have no idea if Russell becomes a partner as payment for endorsement services or if he signs a check from his personal bank account and the percentages involved have not been disclosed).

Now if only Hansen could find a NHL team not too cheap to participate in his privately financed arena.  Oh bother.

The Coyotes and Arizona State University announced that the Coyotes have entered into an exclusive negotiation agreement with Catellus Development Corp., ASU’s athletic facilities district developer, to work towards the finalization of a new arena and commercial development project within the 330-acre district along Tempe Town Lake.

Correction:  An “unnamed, but familiar” source says it’s not just for PR, but won’t tell us any terms of the arrangement.  Not just a PR figurehead could still be “we’ll give you 0.1% of the arena if you schmooze the right councilmembers and talk up the deal on sports radio”.

A person familiar with the agreement told KIRO Radio’s Michael Lewis that Wilson independently approached the Seattle Arena partnership, making it a five-member team. Wilson is a financial investor – not just a PR figurehead – in the partnership, though the source would not disclose the terms

May 022016
 

Videos will be posted later and we can all enjoy hearing councilmembers parade their personality today (be that Bruce’s sports phrase usage, Gonzales’ groaning at said sports phrases, Juarez’s talk of dams, or Johnson’s suggestion that 30% of the city is used for roads, as if a city can function with only 10′ footpaths and bus lanes).

Short summary – O’Brien, Burgess, Harrell, and Johnson voted in favor of the street vacation and Sawant, Herbold, Gonzales, Juarez, and Bagshaw voted against the street vacation.  There were many amendments and clarifications stated (including that a privately financed arena could be built to the terms of the MOU, excluding all those bits about public financing).  Interestingly, the Sonics Rising council vote live thread had a poll predicting the “yes” votes from the council which, at the start of the council meeting, had a tie between 4 and 5 (failing and passing), suggesting many knew all too well that the knife was being readied (insert GIF of proud new pappa Roose Bolton behind shived by “bastard” Ramsey Bolton).

Screencap from shortly after the full council vote concluded.

Screencap from shortly after the full council vote concluded.

In any event, now Hansen has to consider applying again?, changing his preferred site, or how he’ll design a privately financed arena with a public right of way running through the middle of it.  The location in SoDo requiring a street vacation has been something Hansen was pretty well set on, to the point of acquiring properties long before the MOU was even approved.  The current function of Occidental is why Hansen’s group carved a new North-South access road to the East of the arena.  It’s also a part of why the EIS’s site selection was somewhat lacking, it didn’t really give much imagination to using street-vacation-required parcels.  In many respects, this is the city council’s procedural way to escape this roller-coaster they’ve been on for years, particularly with a Nov 2017 expiration date functioning not so much as a deadline but being a harbinger of MOU re-negotiations/extensions.

Of course, Hansen does still own (or have options on) a bunch of land in SoDo, so he could still build LA Live-like attractions or parking garages or new commercial spaces like TV studios, if they pencil out.

Edit:  Video from the Seattle Channel has been posted.  The council takes up the street vacation at 1:12:15.

3 of 3 Against SoDo Arena on KUOW Week in Review

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Mar 182016
 

Audio will be up here later (about 7:30 into this mp3 and it will replay Friday at 7 PM on KUOW), but former King County Councilwoman Jane Hague, Q13 Analyst (and very missed Seattle Channel host) C.R. Douglas, and Ijeoma Oluo all voiced disapproval of building an arena in SoDo and described the street vacation as simply going through the motions half-heartedly at City Hall.  The feeling on the panel is that KeyArena is very much the preferred location.  Jane Hague even goes as far as to say this project should be privately financed.  Also mentioned in the show, Hansen’s shine may have been tarnished by the secret Sacramento political donations and fines.

Councilwoman Hague’s originally voted FOR the Arena MOU (the King County Council vote in 2012 was unanimous).  Obviously, time has changed how our councilmembers feel about going forward with a SoDo arena.  In original discussions with the Seattle City Council, the City Council pressed for a list of owners that could be financially vetted and the group’s only publicly disclosed billionaire, Steve Ballmer, has left for the Clippers.

From 2012 – “There are many miles to go and promises to keep,” said Council Vice Chair Jane Hague. “This begins the process of measuring environmental, economic and transportation impacts on not only the SODO site but other sites that also may emerge.”

Maddeningly, C.R. also comes down on the side of being able to be the pace car in the left lane of the highway.

KeyArena Remodel – Geoff Baker and Sports Radio Roundup

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Feb 252016
 

Geoff Baker at the Seattle Times has launched into a theory that the city council buried the AECOM report about potential use of the Seattle Center Coliseum (formerly sponsored to be named the KeyArena).  The city council drafted a memo that, as Field of Schemes puts it, says “nyah” but the report does have footers and headings with April, May, and June dates in just the first few pages, despite titling it for a June release.  The April and May footers agree well with Baker’s published timeline and suggest some sort of lackadaisical editing as delays occurred.  Godden is reported to have said the report was posted to the council website, but I was looking and the council’s nice collection of arena documents had gone 404 by May, so we’re left to presume Jean is referring to official city clerk files, somewhere, while not discussing it publicly.

 

Local sports radio personalities Danny, Dave and Moore discuss this between about 20 – 34 minutes in the following show.  The hosts appear to have not actually read the AECOM report, instead looking at pictures, as evidenced by commenting about “simply twisting the ice” as the report clearly states that the rebuild completed in the 90s made the lower bowl and seats a structure separate from the roof floating structure, allowing for a relatively cheap rebuild of the new configuration.  It would require excavation and new seating, etc but apparently there’s a lot of unused space below that roofline currently.

 

Ian and Puck also discussed the same things in their 2-23 hour 1 show at 11:30ish here, with added rants about “bikes” and “bertha” thrown in.  Softy also interviewed Chris Daniels in his 2-23 hour 3 show here who does agree that the delays are oddly timed (Chris starts speaking at about 18:30 into the show).  Daniels suggests that a soft majority of the council is ready to vote in favor of the vacation to clear the plate,being  somewhat emboldened by recent media coverage.

The sports radio folks are pushing hate on the Seattle Times and a public comment “rally” at the street vacation hearing, while calling that vacation the “last major step” which is, of course, factually wrong as made very clear by the county council stating they had to vote before issuing any bonds (and the city would have to do so as well).  Oh well, February is kind of boring for sports around here.

 

Sports radio is pushing the public comment period on March 15th at 5:30 as the next “battle” and “showdown” and is not really discussing all the nuances of the vacation (what public benefits are required, etc), so expect lots of “rah”.  You can read the source vacation documents posted here. March – April 2016 is several months behind the timeline outlined a year ago for when this would occur.

NHL Dream Still Being Kept Alive, *crickets* From the NBA

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Dec 032015
 

Local arena supporters have been having a field day tearing into a local sports reporter’s overplay of someone expressing interest in KeyArena remodels.  Unfortunately, such all-hat, no cattle individuals are extremely common in the world of professional sports ownership dreams.  The KeyArena alternate uses study that recently came out similarly throws out many options for the site, but none of the options are so instantly appealing to be an obvious use for city money/resources.

Speaking of which, another local reporter, Chris Daniels, is continuing to sing the sirens’ call to NHL fans by poring through some of the public record e-mails with NHL-potential-owner Victor Coleman.  This is the same Coleman who was rumored to bid for NHL expansion before declining to do so and has sometimes been linked to Hansen’s SoDo projects but also hasn’t committed to be a firm partner.  There’s keeping things open for negotiation, sure, but you probably do want to come up with an NHL-first MOU that’s acceptable (or *gasp* do it with 100% private money) and that’s a pandora’s box Victor hasn’t opened yet.

Occidental Street Vacation

For those keeping track, SDOT did forward their recommendation to approve the street vacation of Occidental Avenue for Hansen’s arena.  Daniels forecasts this issue will sleep through the holidays and return to be taken up by the new city council.

On Monday, the Mayor Murray’s office, along with SDOT, forwarded a street vacation recommendation to the Seattle City Council. Hansen has offered to build a public park, pedestrian walkway, and parking garage in exchange for eliminating a 680-foot stretch of Occidental Avenue South needed to build the arena. The recommendation concluded “that Occidental is not necessary to freight movement or Port Operations.”  The council is not expected to take up the issue until at least January.

You’ll recall the MOU vote in Seattle was 7-2 under Bagshaw, Burgess, Clark, Conlin, Godden, Harrell, Licata, O’Brien, Rasmussen with the italicized members in opposition.  This new street vacation will likely face Bagshaw, Burgess, Harrell, and O’Brien as returning “Yes” and “D1 Herbold?”, Sawant, Rob Johnson, Debora Juarez, and Lorena Gonzalez as new members.  Will they go forward voting on a street vacation for a project with no start date and is that a strategy to further cement Hansen’s site as the only one to consider ?

Reality of “no team owner $$ and no arena = no NHL” hits Geoff Baker

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Apr 242015
 

Geoff Baker of the Seattle Times has many, many pieces where he pines for the NHL to grace Seattle.  He stirs up passions with stories of the NHL leaders meeting with rich guys who drop hints of Seattle, Bellevue, or Tukwilla sites for an arena.  Eventually, reality comes crashing in, as in today’s piece from a AP Sports Editors meeting.  Nobody with as deep pockets as Ballmer is rumored for the NHL in Seattle, and without an NBA team committing both city and private money to an arena, any NHL team would need to throw in big money.

NHL commissioner Gary Bettman made it clear Friday that Seattle needs an arena plan and financing in place before the league even considers expanding there.

“From a distance, it won’t warrant — if it does at all — serious consideration until there’s a realistic expectation that there’s going to be an arena there,’’ Bettman said. “You’ve got your approvals, you’ve got your financing — you’re ready to go. You’re basically saying, ‘Listen, if we get a team, we’re committed to and are ready to break ground, because this building can be a reality.’ ’’

Why, yes, for a league with many teams on shaky financials, it probably doesn’t make sense to expand to Seattle until a gift arena suddenly appears.  Would you like to look at the KeyArena, because the city council would love to show you around and could cut a nice deal ?